GO VOTE November 2!

[neonmike22]

The Democrats' future is hazy,
Because they've been scattered and lazy.
Although they've made errors,
Those "Tea Party" terrors
Are quite undeniably CRAZY.

[Twilight]

If the so-called "healthcare" bill is good for us, why did those who are forcing it on us exempt themselves from it?

[Twilight]

Just choose the one that you think will actually try to improve the country... It's still better than anyplace else in the world.

The funny thing is, one of the two major political parties clearly believes that America does not deserve its individual rights and freedoms and is trying to bring America down to the level of the rest of the world.

[marka]

Howdy,

If the so-called "healthcare" bill is good for us, why did those who are forcing it on us exempt themselves from it?

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003250022

edit:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/26/tom-coburn/health-bill-appears-exempt-some-congressional-staf/

Coburn's quote may make it sound like lawmakers and congressional staff are exempt from broader health care reform, but they are not. Instead, he's talking about a specific provision in the bill that would require lawmakers and their staff to buy health insurance through an exchange, a virtual marketplace where consumers can pick and choose among plans based on coverage and price. To our knowledge, members of Congress and their aides are the only people who are being forced to give up their employer's health care plan -- in this case, one administered by the federal government.

The "exemption" you're likely talking about makes it so that some congressional folks have the same restrictions as you and me, rather than increased restriction like the rest of government workers (and UNLIKE you and me).

Mark

[marka]

Howdy,

The funny thing is, one of the two major political parties clearly believes that America does not deserve its individual rights and freedoms and is trying to bring America down to the level of the rest of the world.

That's right.  One party is completely good and miraculous, and one party is evil, thinks Americans don't deserve individual rights, etc.

Here's a crazy thought.... Just perhaps BOTH parties have problems.  Maybe neither is completely right or completely wrong.  Maybe everyone really is trying to do what they think is best.

But you keep on listening to your rabble rouser of choice and choose to believe that its all or nothing.  After all, people who see the world in black and white colors only so often are the ones that we need to follow, rather than shun for the simpletons they are.

Mark

[crystalhelix]

I don't see the need for so many government officials.  Just have online voting for everything.  Should we work on all the highways at once in Pittsburgh? : No.  See, it's easy.  But some group of idiots decided it was a good idea.

[neonmike22]

I got this idea in my head
To post quotes from a limerick thread
i found it on fark
but now here is mark
saying howdy, you're farked in the head

[fx-man]

The two major parties, or I should say the career politicians running both of them have been taking turns wrecking the country for decades.  The fault for that is our own because we've been giving them the keys and not paying any attention other than for a few weeks every couple of years.  The Tea Party types, whatever your opinion of them, have at least made the game interesting and got people paying attention.  They got done going after and booting a lot of the deadwood in the GOP during the primaries and now if polling is to be believed they're ready to give the Dems a drubbing.  I think politics hasn't been this much fun to watch in decades.

[Twilight]

Howdy,

The funny thing is, one of the two major political parties clearly believes that America does not deserve its individual rights and freedoms and is trying to bring America down to the level of the rest of the world.

That's right.  One party is completely good and miraculous, and one party is evil, thinks Americans don't deserve individual rights, etc.

Here's a crazy thought.... Just perhaps BOTH parties have problems.  Maybe neither is completely right or completely wrong.  Maybe everyone really is trying to do what they think is best.

But you keep on listening to your rabble rouser of choice and choose to believe that its all or nothing.  After all, people who see the world in black and white colors only so often are the ones that we need to follow, rather than shun for the simpletons they are.

Mark

You're assuming that I think in black and white because I said something bad about one party and not the other?  Actually, I'm neither republican nor democrat.  I'm a true conservative and fed up with both parties.  Go ahead, call me crazy for valuing honesty, hard-work, and a limited government.

[marka]

Howdy,

You're assuming that I think in black and white because I said something bad about one party and not the other?  Actually, I'm neither republican nor democrat.  I'm a true conservative and fed up with both parties.  Go ahead, call me crazy for valuing honesty, hard-work, and a limited government.

Keep dancing Fred.

:-)

Mark

[marka]

Howdy,

These guys just voted today.  Did you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2hUokcbg

Mark

[968crazy]

Mark I know you won't change your thinking but I for one want my children to live free and no matter what you say the things obama and the democrats oh yeah and some republicans are doing is taking that away.  Remember some of us will not allow that to happen so if it continues eventually there will be a big problem for the government and they will be removed.  Hopefully it never comes to that but you never know.

[Mark Aubele]

Howdy,

The funny thing is, one of the two major political parties clearly believes that America does not deserve its individual rights and freedoms and is trying to bring America down to the level of the rest of the world.

That's right.  One party is completely good and miraculous, and one party is evil, thinks Americans don't deserve individual rights, etc.

Here's a crazy thought.... Just perhaps BOTH parties have problems.  Maybe neither is completely right or completely wrong.  Maybe everyone really is trying to do what they think is best.

But you keep on listening to your rabble rouser of choice and choose to believe that its all or nothing.  After all, people who see the world in black and white colors only so often are the ones that we need to follow, rather than shun for the simpletons they are.

Mark

But didn't you just call all Republicans and Libertarians "morons"?  Is it only ok to be critical when it is of the Republicans or Libertarians?  You really don't have to answer that Mark, your posts already have for you. 

[Mark Aubele]

Go ahead, call me crazy for valuing honesty, hard-work, and a limited government.

Not all of us are calling you crazy.  But something that wasn't stated in this "voting" thread is that it is against RacePa rules to be critical of the left wing, or Democrat party.  It is punishable by internet gangbang, and ours hasn't been finished yet. 

[mrevilracing]

Howdy,

Yes.  Go vote (R/T-P) so that the healthcare bill can be unfunded and repealed!

Yeah, 'cause lord knows we didn't need any health insurance reform.

One of the very good things to come out of this election will hopefully be that the Tea Party will be recognized as the insane bunch of morons they are.  Every time I hear one of them speak, I feel like I'm back in high school listening to the candidates compete for class president... "No more homework!"

Mark

Health insurance reform could have started with the federal government staying out of private health insurance.  It was the manditory coverage that was forced on the health insurance companies that threw things into a tizzy.  If you couldn't be covered for X procedure under your plan, cough up the cash and pay for it yourself.  Not cry to the federal government to legislate what should or should not be covered.

[968crazy]

How about allowing ins. Companies to sell insurance across state lines that would have brought the price down.  You could have done alot of things before letting the government and their incompetence be an insurance company

[marka]

Howdy,

But didn't you just call all Republicans and Libertarians "morons"?  Is it only ok to be critical when it is of the Republicans or Libertarians?  You really don't have to answer that Mark, your posts already have for you. 

See, this is what is wrong with America.  Instead of sinking to my level, you should rise above!

I think I called the Tea Party folks morons actually.  But whatever.

Go ahead, call me crazy for valuing honesty, hard-work, and a limited government.

Not all of us are calling you crazy.  But something that wasn't stated in this "voting" thread is that it is against RacePa rules to be critical of the left wing, or Democrat party.  It is punishable by internet gangbang, and ours hasn't been finished yet.

The issue I have with statements like that isn't "crazy" or "not crazy" its just a complete straw man argument.  I'm _far_ from agreeing with every Democratic position and I've been pretty disappointed to see some of the decisions made over the past couple years.  But I'm equally certain that we all value "honesty and hard work".  Implying otherwise isn't even close to honest.  Now, with the "limited government", at least we can have an actual conversation, but when you lump it together with the first two, what reaction do you expect other than "fuck you"?

You know what I want to see?  I want actual conversations between real people.  I don't want 10 second sound bites where each side tries to demonize the other.  If I have a small part in this whole democracy thing, I'd like it to be about restoring the ability for people to actually talk about issues rather than parrot off whatever crap the TV talking head is blathering on about today.  And just in case it isn't clear, I think Olbermann and his kind are just as bad as Glenn Beck and his buddies.  None of its productive and, I expect like you do, I see real problems that are going to need real solutions, not just people trying to get their sound bite on the news.

Mark

[marka]

Howdy,

Health insurance reform could have started with the federal government staying out of private health insurance.  It was the manditory coverage that was forced on the health insurance companies that threw things into a tizzy.  If you couldn't be covered for X procedure under your plan, cough up the cash and pay for it yourself.  Not cry to the federal government to legislate what should or should not be covered.

So continue the idea past that.  You're ok with poor people dying, but not rich people?  Remember that "poor" here can also be someone that's between jobs and has a heart attack.

What's your plan?  How do you take care of people that need care but don't have $$$$$$ to pay for it today?

Mark

[968crazy]

Mark this is a constitutional republic not a democracy lets get that straight there is a huge difference.

[fx-man]

Howdy,

These guys just voted today.  Did you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2hUokcbg

Mark

Those guys also serve on most civil lawsuit juries.