Consolidated 2012 Road Racing Schedule

[KeithO]

This morning, I decided to start to try to figure out what events I would like to target for 2012.  So, I went out to all of the sanctioning bodies that I have run, took their schedules, and put them into one place.

Since I am sure that I am not the only one that does this, I figured I would post it in case someone else might be interested.  Note that I only included Regional SCCA events since my planned licencing and car won't allow me to run National events.  However, many of the Regional weekends are also National weekends so there isn't much missing.

February 17-19, VIR, NASA MA

March 23-25, VIR NASA MA

April 13-15, Mid Ohio, NASA GL
April 15-17, NJMP, NASA NE
April 21-22, NHIS, SCCA NE (Rational)
April 21-22, Summit Point, SCCA WDC (Regional)
April 28-29, Summit Point, NASA MA

May 11-13, Putnam Park, NASA GL
May 12-13, VIR, SCCA NCR (National), Proposed V8 Stock Car North Event
May 19-20, BeaveRun/PIRC, EMRA
May 26-27, Watkins Glen, SCCA GLEN (Regional)
May 26-27, NHIS, SCCA NER (Double Regional)
May 26-27, Grattan, SCCA WMR (Double Regional)

June 1-3, Mid Ohio, SCCA OVR (Restricted Regional)
June 2-3, Grattan, NASA GL
June 6, Lime Rock, NASA NE
June 8-9, Lime Rock, SCCA NER (Regional)
June 9-10, Gingerman, NASA MW
June 9-10, Summit Point, SCCA WDC (Regional)
June 16-17, Summit Point, NASA MA
June 22-23, Lime Rock, SCCA MoHud, (Restricted Regional)
June 23-24, Nelsons Ledges, SCCA FLR (Double Regional)
June 29-30, NJMP, ??, ARCA, Proposed V8 Stock Car North Event
June 29-1, Mid Ohio, NASA GL
June 30-1, Nelsons Ledges, SCCA NEO, (Restricted Regional)

July 2-3, Watkins Glen, EMRA
July 14-15, NJMP, IMG
July 14-15, Summit Point, SCCA WDC (Regional)
July 15-17, Pocono, NASA NE
July 20-22, VIR, NASA MA
July 20-22, Watkins Glen, SCCA GLEN (Regional)
July 27-29, Mid Ohio, SCCA CIN (Restricted, Double, Regional)
July 28-29, NJMP, EMRA
July 28-29, BeaveRun/PIRC, SCCA SCR (Restricted Regional), Proposed V8 Stock Car North Event

August 4-5, NHIS, SCCA NER, (Double Regional)
August 5-7, NJMP, NASA NE
August 10-12, Mid Ohio, NASA GL
August 11-12, Grattan, SCCA WMR (Restricted, Double Regional)
August 17-19, NJMP, SCCA JRB (Regional)
August 18-19, Nelsons Ledges, SCCA NEO (Double Regional)
August 18-19, Summit Point, NASA MA
August 18-19, BeaveRun/PIRC, IMG
August 31-2, Mid Ohio, SCCA OVR (Double Regional)

September 1-3, Summit Point, SCCA WDC (Double Regional), Proposed V8 Stock Car North Event
September 3-4, Pocono, NASA NE
September 6-9, Mid Ohio, NASA National Championship
September 8-9, NJMP, EMRA
September 8-9, NHIS, SCCA NER (Double Regional)
September 14-16, Autobahn, NASA GL
September 15-16, Watkins Glen, SCCA FLR (Double Regional), Proposed V8 Stock Car North Event
September 29-30, Nelsons Ledges, SCCA MVR (Double Regional)
September 29-30, Pocono, EMRA
September 30-1, Watkins Glen, NASA NE

October 5-7, Road America, NASA GL
October 6, Watkins Glen, SCCA GLEN, (Restricted Regional)
October 6-7, Mid Ohio, SCCA OVR (Double Regional)
October 12-14, VIR, NASA MA
October 20-21, NJMP, SCCA JRB (Regional)
October 20-21, Nelsons Ledges, SCCA NEO (Quad Regional)
October 28-30, NJMP, NASA NE

November 3-4, Summit Point, NASA MA
November 10-11, Summit Point, EMRA

Does anyone know the "Cliff Notes" version of the required licensing levels and classing for SCCA Regionals versus Restricted Regionals versus Rationals?  Knowing this could help me thin the herd.

[roundel]

And here comes sticky!

[marka]

Howdy,

Good work!  If you were really bored, you could add licensing schools as well.  Two I know of are:
3/23-25:  SCCA Double School @ Summit
5/11-5/13: SCCA Double School @ Gingerman

Does anyone know the "Cliff Notes" version of the required licensing levels and classing for SCCA Regionals versus Restricted Regionals versus Rationals?  Knowing this could help me thin the herd.

Restricted regionals are named that because the set of classes offered is restricted.  Without looking at the supps for the event I don't believe there's any way to know what classes are offered.  I believe that any SCCA regional license is good for them, including Novice.  I don't know what Rationals are really, but the impression I've gotten / guess I have is that its the full set of SCCA classes just like a Regional, but the weekend is also sanctioned as a national event, and drivers with each license type mix.  Again, should be spelled out in the supps for the event.

Mark

(who thinks its long past time for the SCCA to stop having the license difference between national and regional licenses).

[KeithO]

Classing:
OK, so if I understand the classing, if it's not restricted then it is OK to assume that if your car has a class, the class is available for the event.

If it's restricted, then one needs to check the supps to see if a given class is included.

Licensing:
OK, regional generically means that any SCCA license is valid and one doesn't need to have a license from that region to run that region's event, correct?  National?  I have no plans to try to get one of these.  I am looking for minimal effort and cost to allow me to run SCCA events.  If it turns out that I am severely limited with this lazy approach, I think there are plenty of other events that I can run without effort and cost using my NASA license.

One of the subplots that is going on is that I have agreed to help the V8 Stock Car Road Racing Series up north.  These guys:
http://www.v8stockcar.com/

They currently run out of the SCCA Southeast and run SCCA events, but get their own tweaked classes.  These guys have a few more resources than the northern stock car guys that I know and we are trying to make something work here like they have in the south.  However, when devising the proposed schedule, they haven't yet recognized that the available pool of drivers up here might have restrictions that could limit participation.  I am trying to work through this and understand the various limitations that our schedule will create before contacting other drivers.  I suppose I need to read the GCR when it comes to licensing and classing, but I have been a little lazy about it so far.

Thanks for the info.

[marka]

Howdy,

Licensing:
OK, regional generically means that any SCCA license is valid and one doesn't need to have a license from that region to run that region's event, correct?  National?  I have no plans to try to get one of these.  I am looking for minimal effort and cost to allow me to run SCCA events.

If it turns out that I am severely limited with this lazy approach, I think there are plenty of other events that I can run without effort and cost using my NASA license.

My understanding of this is that you get a national license by attending a couple more (scca) events per year and paying a small fee to get the national endorsement.  Both regional and national licenses are administered by the SCCA nationally, are good at any region's event, etc.  All the national endorsement gets you is the ability to enter a national race rather than a regional one.  Other than restricting which events you can attend, I don't believe there's any other difference you'd care about.

I also find this distinction dumb and confusing, but I fully expect that once you actual get a regional license and go to a few events, the goofiness will go away some.  There's certainly some culture of "this is how its always worked" going on, but that's going to be the same with any group you're running with.  That same culture exists in NASA, flat out days at BeaveRun, EMRA, or whatever.  Just get the SCCA regional license and go to a couple events.  This will work itself out.

One of the subplots that is going on is that I have agreed to help the V8 Stock Car Road Racing Series up north.  These guys:
http://www.v8stockcar.com/

They currently run out of the SCCA Southeast and run SCCA events, but get their own tweaked classes.  These guys have a few more resources than the northern stock car guys that I know and we are trying to make something work here like they have in the south.  However, when devising the proposed schedule, they haven't yet recognized that the available pool of drivers up here might have restrictions that could limit participation.  I am trying to work through this and understand the various limitations that our schedule will create before contacting other drivers.  I suppose I need to read the GCR when it comes to licensing and classing, but I have been a little lazy about it so far.

Is Butch Kummer involved with that?  http://www.atlantascca.org/board-directors/51-board-of-directors/21-butch-kummer.html  I know he's big with the GTA (?? I think that's it?) stuff around Atlanta.  He's someone I'd talk to for sure probably either way, because he's in the South East, heavily involved with the SCCA, knows all about v8 stock cars, and is a super nice & helpful guy.  Unlike me, he'll actually have some good definitive answers for what you need to do to run with the SCCA.  :-)

Mark

[KeithO]

Thanks for the clarification.  I DO know that as of January of this year, the SCCA started accepting NASA licenses for all regional races, but there are some regions that won't accept this - according to Butch.

Yes, Butch is involved and over the last 2 weeks, a group of 4 of us have been in contact including Butch.  We are collectively trying to finalize our schedule but this morning, I pointed out that the VIR event was listed as a National and this could limit participation up here.  Regardless, a tow that far is a hard sell for me anyway.

I have also suggested to the V8 guys that we piggyback onto other organizations such as NASA, EMRA and IMG and keep track of our points "amongst us girls" but I guess running anything other than an SCCA event would be frowned upon.

It's still a work in progress.

[marka]

Howdy,

Thanks for the clarification.  I DO know that as of January of this year, the SCCA started accepting NASA licenses for all regional races, but there are some regions that won't accept this - according to Butch.

Yes, Butch is involved and over the last 2 weeks, a group of 4 of us have been in contact including Butch.  We are collectively trying to finalize our schedule but this morning, I pointed out that the VIR event was listed as a National and this could limit participation up here.  Regardless, a tow that far is a hard sell for me anyway.

I have also suggested to the V8 guys that we piggyback onto other organizations such as NASA, EMRA and IMG and keep track of our points "amongst us girls" but I guess running anything other than an SCCA event would be frowned upon.

It's still a work in progress.

I think the preference for SCCA events is probably the exact same thing you're looking at now, but in reverse.  My impression is that the existing v8 stock car folks down there are all SCCA licensed, so they know how SCCA events work and don't have a clue for NASA, EMRA, or whatever else.

Back to licensing... From what I understand, you don't ever actually run an SCCA event with your NASA license.  Your NASA license will qualify you to receive an SCCA license (which you pay for).  So once you go to an event at whatever region accepts the NASA license as qualification for an SCCA license, you'll now be SCCA licensed and can go run any SCCA event (given the regional / national distinction).

Mark

[Eprod Racer]

per GCR:

2.8. Regional License

A. A driver who has completed all Novice Permit requirements,
including the acknowledgment signature of the Chief Steward or
Chairman SOM, may follow the directions in the Permit to apply
for an upgrade to a Regional License. For the three consecutive
weekends after he has submitted his Regional License application
to the National Office for processing, he may use a photocopy of
the Permit as a License to race. Or he may retain the original Novice
Permit to use as a License until he completes 4 Regional Races
(beyond the initial 2 for the Novice Permit requirement) to earn a
National License.

2.9. National License
A. A Regional License holder who completes requirements for a
National License or who receives a waiver from his Divisional
Licensing Chairman during the Regional portion of a Regional/
National weekend needs only the permission of the event Chief
Steward to enter the National race. Drivers competing on a 15
Year-Old Novice Permit may not be upgraded to a National license
under these circumstances.

B. A Canadian resident holding a current ASN Professional Grade C
License or higher may apply for an SCCA National License if he is
an Individual, Family, Spouse, or First Gear SCCA member in good
standing and submits a copy of his current ASN License and ASN
Medical Form, along with the License fee

www.scca.com/assets/2012GCR-updatedJanuary2.pdf

the above link will send you to the current GCR, at page 136 of the PDF it shows a table that give the requirement licenses

The organizations whose licenses are currently approved by SCCA
for competition in Regional events are as follows:
1. BMW CCA Club Racing Full Competition
2. Confederation of Autosport Car Clubs (CACC) Competition
3. FIA Issued by any sanctioning body
4. Historic Sportscar Racing (HSR) HSR License
5. ICSCC Area Road Racing or International Road Racing licenses
6. IMSA
7. Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs (MCSCC) Full and
Novice permit
8. Miller Motorsports Park Racing Association Full Competition
License
9. NASA Full Competition
10. Ontario Region CASC Regional
11. Porsche Club of America Full Competition
12. SCCA Pro Racing
13. Sportscar Vintage Racing Association (SVRA)
14. Vintage Auto Racing Association Full Competition
15. Vintage Motorsports Council VMC
16. Waterford Hills Road Racing Club Full
17. West Canada Motorsport Association Amateur
18. Eastern Motor Racing Association (EMRA) Competition License.
19. Atlantic Region Motor Sports (ARMS) Regional Competition
License

[KeithO]

Thanks, AJ.  Once the proposed V8 Stock Car schedule is "finalized", I plan on contacting you to discuss the possibilities further.  We are on our 3rd iteration of a schedule and the good news is that the SCR BeaveRun event has appeared on all of them.  BeaveRun seems to be central to the pool of available drivers and essentially everyone that we have contacted thus far have responded positively to this one.  (In contrast, we dumped a Lime Rock event.)

I'll go on record saying this - I don't care about the sanction body running a given event.  I care more about the drivers that show up.  While I recogize that safety, etc. are important, I have found that the difference between a good event and not-so-good event comes down to the mindset of the drivers that compete.  For the most part, all of the events I have run have had the same core group of drivers because there aren't all that many of us around...

I will admit that I have a preference for the format that the SCR had at BeaveRun this past year.  I really like having dinner with the safety and corner workers.  Listening to the corner workers talk about the race from their perspective is quite good for me.  The only other time I've had that opportunity was the 2006 NASA Nationals and I liked it then too.

[marka]

hwody,

Back to licensing... From what I understand, you don't ever actually run an SCCA event with your NASA license.  Your NASA license will qualify you to receive an SCCA license (which you pay for).  So once you go to an event at whatever region accepts the NASA license as qualification for an SCCA license, you'll now be SCCA licensed and can go run any SCCA event (given the regional / national distinction).

This is wrong, FWIW.  I guess it has to be explicitly mentioned in the supps, but you can run an SCCA regional event with your NASA license directly.  You have to be an SCCA member, but you don't need to hold an SCCA competition license.

FYI, YMMV, etc., etc.

Mark

[oldguy]

Mark , you are correct.  I have raced in two different SCCA Regions with my NASA license alone.  Of course I'm a SCCA member.

[vetteopel]

Keith, I don't see any hillclimb's on your list  Don't tell me your like your dad and don't think that's real racing?
Dave

[oldguy]

Dave , an error in your thinking. I never said it wasn't racing; I said I might hit something.   Never happened to me before.  LOL

[KeithO]

Hillclimbing is for rich people.

[marka]

Howdy,

Racing occurs when you can pass someone.

Mark

[vetteopel]

Howdy,

Racing occurs when you can pass someone.

Mark

Then why Autox?

[marka]

Howdy,

Racing occurs when you can pass someone.

Then why Autox?

Because its fun?

Autox isn't racing either.  Still fun though.

Mark

[goforwand]

Thanks for posting up this schedule! 

Was going to send a PM but figured I'd post in case others had similar questions...

What group is "IMG" for the August 18-19, BeaveRun event?

Also, the May 2-3 Watkins Glen, NASA NE doesn't show up on the NASA NE site...they do post a HPDE event on April 30-May 1, but i didn't see a race event. Hope this is accurate as it would be great to race at the Glen with NASA more than once a year in late September 

Thanks!

[KeithO]

Thanks for posting up this schedule! 

Was going to send a PM but figured I'd post in case others had similar questions...

What group is "IMG" for the August 18-19, BeaveRun event?

Also, the May 2-3 Watkins Glen, NASA NE doesn't show up on the NASA NE site...they do post a HPDE event on April 30-May 1, but i didn't see a race event. Hope this is accurate as it would be great to race at the Glen with NASA more than once a year in late September 

Thanks!

You're right about the Watkins event.  I will remove it from the above list.  Thanks for catching that.  I invite anyone to check that list.  I think it's correct but that didn't come together quickly and the wife/kids were constantly talking to me while I was doing it.

IMG = Independent Motorsports Group.  More info here:
http://www.imgracing.com/
It appears that some EMRA guys split off and formed their own group.  I don't know why but the way I see it, EMRA has relaxed, enjoyable events and I have to assume that IMG will continue this.

[jerdeitzel]

I also saw in the latest GRM that NASA is coming to Beaverun(pittsburgh race complex) June 22-24.

IMG is Charlie G. from EMRA and Entropy racing, and a few others that were not happy with working for EMRA so they decided to go do their own thing. It really sounds promising and they are a very nice group of folks from the contacts i have had with them. I really like their idea of a very laid back racing group.